they don't deal with the pentagons and health benefits they give workers. the necessary steps that need to be taken aren't taken until it's too late. when you think about what happened with new york city, they had years of that and then you had the 1975 fiscal crisis, and you had to take draconian steps, massive cuts, it was years before the city got back on its feet. they had a technical default at the time on some of their debt. in some ways new york city is still paying higher interest rates because of that thing in 75. that's what pwoupl has to do. baltimore has to do. do they have the political will to do that? i doubt that. gregg: you have a revenue problem. >> you have the problem of middle class people working out because of lousy schools, and high crime. do what rudy guiliani today and ed koch did, you deal with crime and start restoring confidence in the business sector of the city. new york city is a much let's place now than it was in the 70s and early 80s. the reason why was because rudy guiliani, and ed koch to took the time to deal with the f